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From: smiley@netrover.com (Colin)
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Subject: Re: Hacking an AT case to fit ATX m'board?
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In message <pmbDtIx5x.7ov@netcom.com> - pmb@netcom.com (Philip M.
Burton)Mon, 24 Jun 1996 21:32:21 GMT writes:
:>
:>I'm in the market for a new m'board, and ATX seems interesting, except 
:>for the part about needing a new case.  My current case is a full tower, 
:>in which I have 1 all five exposed bays full plus two internal bays 
:>full.  I don't want to change my case just to get a new motherboard.

I don't think that you can fit an ATX motherboard into an older case.  If
you REALLY wanted to, you would have to change the power supply at the very
least.

--
smiley@netrover.com
  "A salesperson worst enemy is an educated consumer."


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From: Fred Maxwell <fmaxwell@erols.com>
Newsgroups: alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus
Subject: Re: Can you flash without jumper enable??
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 13:10:20 -0400
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To: Max Weninger <max@takefive.co.at>

Max Weninger wrote:
> 
> George Tsang wrote:
> >
> > Recently saw someone able to flash eprom without setting jumper
> > to enable programming mode.
> >
> > Can someone please give a definitive answer as to whether it is
> > really necessary to set the jumpers before you flash or you can
> > achieve the same result without the hassle of opening the case,
> > setting the jumpers, etc.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > George.
> 
> Following the "definitive answer" :-)
> {"definitive answer" cut for brevity)

Nice try at "definitive", but not quite right.

Asus stuffed the sockets with two different classes of parts.  The true
flash ROM is an Intel 28F001 and the jumper works as advertised on this
part.  If you have this part, you can rest assured that you can rely on
the jumper to protect your BIOS boot block against corruption.

The other part used by Asus is an SST 29EE010 which is really an EEPROM
(hence the EE in the name), not a flash ROM.  It does not have any 
protected areas and the jumper connects to a pin (30) on this chip that 
does nothing (this same pin on the 28F001 protects the boot block -- see 
www.intel.com for techie info).  To program this EEPROM, one must fully
erase the part first, which is what is done by the PFLASH utility.

I have discussed this at length with Patrick Lee of Asus technical
support and Asus is taking the position that this is not a problem.  I
disagree and feel the motherboard should work as described in the
manual -- that setting this jumper to disable will work as a failsafe
to protect your system.  I feel that Asus should provide 28F001 BIOS
chips to those of us who request them.  If you agree with me, you may 
wish to write to Asus at (please copy me and the newsgroup if it's
not too much trouble):

TSD_USA@ccmail.asus.com.tw

Regards,
  Fred Maxwell

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From: Fred Maxwell <fmaxwell@erols.com>
Newsgroups: alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus
Subject: Re: Can you flash without jumper enable??
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 13:10:45 -0400
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To: Max Weninger <max@takefive.co.at>

Max Weninger wrote:
> 
> George Tsang wrote:
> >
> > Recently saw someone able to flash eprom without setting jumper
> > to enable programming mode.
> >
> > Can someone please give a definitive answer as to whether it is
> > really necessary to set the jumpers before you flash or you can
> > achieve the same result without the hassle of opening the case,
> > setting the jumpers, etc.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > George.
> 
> Following the "definitive answer" :-)
> {"definitive answer" cut for brevity)

Nice try at "definitive", but not quite right.

Asus stuffed the sockets with two different classes of parts.  The true
flash ROM is an Intel 28F001 and the jumper works as advertised on this
part.  If you have this part, you can rest assured that you can rely on
the jumper to protect your BIOS boot block against corruption.

The other part used by Asus is an SST 29EE010 which is really an EEPROM
(hence the EE in the name), not a flash ROM.  It does not have any 
protected areas and the jumper connects to a pin (30) on this chip that 
does nothing (this same pin on the 28F001 protects the boot block -- see 
www.intel.com for techie info).  To program this EEPROM, one must fully
erase the part first, which is what is done by the PFLASH utility.

I have discussed this at length with Patrick Lee of Asus technical
support and Asus is taking the position that this is not a problem.  I
disagree and feel the motherboard should work as described in the
manual -- that setting this jumper to disable will work as a failsafe
to protect your system.  I feel that Asus should provide 28F001 BIOS
chips to those of us who request them.  If you agree with me, you may 
wish to write to Asus at (please copy me and the newsgroup if it's
not too much trouble):

TSD_USA@ccmail.asus.com.tw

Regards,
  Fred Maxwell

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From: Fred Maxwell <fmaxwell@erols.com>
Newsgroups: alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus
Subject: Re: Can you flash without jumper enable??
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 13:13:26 -0400
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To: Max Weninger <max@takefive.co.at>

Max Weninger wrote:
> 
> George Tsang wrote:
> >
> > Recently saw someone able to flash eprom without setting jumper
> > to enable programming mode.
> >
> > Can someone please give a definitive answer as to whether it is
> > really necessary to set the jumpers before you flash or you can
> > achieve the same result without the hassle of opening the case,
> > setting the jumpers, etc.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > George.
> 
> Following the "definitive answer" :-)
> {"definitive answer" cut for brevity)

Nice try at "definitive", but not quite right.

Asus stuffed the sockets with two different classes of parts.  The true
flash ROM is an Intel 28F001 and the jumper works as advertised on this
part.  If you have this part, you can rest assured that you can rely on
the jumper to protect your BIOS boot block against corruption.

The other part used by Asus is an SST 29EE010 which is really an EEPROM
(hence the EE in the name), not a flash ROM.  It does not have any 
protected areas and the jumper connects to a pin (30) on this chip that 
does nothing (this same pin on the 28F001 protects the boot block -- see 
www.intel.com for techie info).  To program this EEPROM, one must fully
erase the part first, which is what is done by the PFLASH utility.

I have discussed this at length with Patrick Lee of Asus technical
support and Asus is taking the position that this is not a problem.  I
disagree and feel the motherboard should work as described in the
manual -- that setting this jumper to disable will work as a failsafe
to protect your system.  I feel that Asus should provide 28F001 BIOS
chips to those of us who request them.  If you agree with me, you may 
wish to write to Asus at (please copy me and the newsgroup if it's
not too much trouble):

TSD_USA@ccmail.asus.com.tw

Regards,
  Fred Maxwell

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From: Fred Maxwell <fmaxwell@erols.com>
Newsgroups: alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus
Subject: Re: Can you flash without jumper enable??
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 13:14:18 -0400
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To: Max Weninger <max@takefive.co.at>

Max Weninger wrote:
> 
> George Tsang wrote:
> >
> > Recently saw someone able to flash eprom without setting jumper
> > to enable programming mode.
> >
> > Can someone please give a definitive answer as to whether it is
> > really necessary to set the jumpers before you flash or you can
> > achieve the same result without the hassle of opening the case,
> > setting the jumpers, etc.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > George.
> 
> Following the "definitive answer" :-)
> {"definitive answer" cut for brevity)

Nice try at "definitive", but not quite right.

Asus stuffed the sockets with two different classes of parts.  The true
flash ROM is an Intel 28F001 and the jumper works as advertised on this
part.  If you have this part, you can rest assured that you can rely on
the jumper to protect your BIOS boot block against corruption.

The other part used by Asus is an SST 29EE010 which is really an EEPROM
(hence the EE in the name), not a flash ROM.  It does not have any 
protected areas and the jumper connects to a pin (30) on this chip that 
does nothing (this same pin on the 28F001 protects the boot block -- see 
www.intel.com for techie info).  To program this EEPROM, one must fully
erase the part first, which is what is done by the PFLASH utility.

I have discussed this at length with Patrick Lee of Asus technical
support and Asus is taking the position that this is not a problem.  I
disagree and feel the motherboard should work as described in the
manual -- that setting this jumper to disable will work as a failsafe
to protect your system.  I feel that Asus should provide 28F001 BIOS
chips to those of us who request them.  If you agree with me, you may 
wish to write to Asus at (please copy me and the newsgroup if it's
not too much trouble):

TSD_USA@ccmail.asus.com.tw

Regards,
  Fred Maxwell

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From: Fred Maxwell <fmaxwell@erols.com>
Newsgroups: alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus
Subject: Re: Can you flash without jumper enable??
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 13:15:55 -0400
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To: Max Weninger <max@takefive.co.at>

Max Weninger wrote:
> 
> George Tsang wrote:
> >
> > Recently saw someone able to flash eprom without setting jumper
> > to enable programming mode.
> >
> > Can someone please give a definitive answer as to whether it is
> > really necessary to set the jumpers before you flash or you can
> > achieve the same result without the hassle of opening the case,
> > setting the jumpers, etc.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > George.
> 
> Following the "definitive answer" :-)
> {"definitive answer" cut for brevity)

Nice try at "definitive", but not quite right.

Asus stuffed the sockets with two different classes of parts.  The true
flash ROM is an Intel 28F001 and the jumper works as advertised on this
part.  If you have this part, you can rest assured that you can rely on
the jumper to protect your BIOS boot block against corruption.

The other part used by Asus is an SST 29EE010 which is really an EEPROM
(hence the EE in the name), not a flash ROM.  It does not have any 
protected areas and the jumper connects to a pin (30) on this chip that 
does nothing (this same pin on the 28F001 protects the boot block -- see 
www.intel.com for techie info).  To program this EEPROM, one must fully
erase the part first, which is what is done by the PFLASH utility.

I have discussed this at length with Patrick Lee of Asus technical
support and Asus is taking the position that this is not a problem.  I
disagree and feel the motherboard should work as described in the
manual -- that setting this jumper to disable will work as a failsafe
to protect your system.  I feel that Asus should provide 28F001 BIOS
chips to those of us who request them.  If you agree with me, you may 
wish to write to Asus at (please copy me and the newsgroup if it's
not too much trouble):

TSD_USA@ccmail.asus.com.tw

Regards,
  Fred Maxwell

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From: pgiv@mhv.net (Peter Gray IV)
Newsgroups: alt.comp.hardware.homedesigned,alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus,alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.elitegroup,alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.supermicro,alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.tyan
Subject: Re: Enlight Cases
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 17:42:41 GMT
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On Tue, 18 Jun 1996 00:47:48 -0400, "John Napor" <johnn@sgi.net>
wrote:

>Hi,does anyone know where I can see jpg or pic of the Enlight 6688
>Midtower case? I also want to see the specs and an internal pic if
>possible.
>
>Thanks
>johnn@sgi.net


I'm looking for a dealer who has the Enlite EN-7230 case in stock.  A
phone number or web site would also be helpful!

From the Enlite literature, this is a mid-tower case which will take
either the Baby AT or ATX form factor motherboard, comes with a PS/2
type power supply or an ATX power supply, has two external 3.5" drives
and four 5.25" drive bays, with an additional two hidden 3.5" bays.
It looks like this case does it all!

Thanks!

Pete  

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From: genius lenny <stl-d2-1@cuci.nl>
Newsgroups: alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus
Subject: Image at startup (EPA)
Date: 30 Jun 1996 18:52:06 GMT
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To: All,ASUS,dudez

Hi,

Does anyone here got any experience in editing the EPA image, or even 
flashing another image in the BIOS, a friend of mine told me it is 
possible, it got in it, so it must be possible to change it.


If you could provide me with the program. I would really appreciate it

Thx in advance

Genius Lenny


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From: "Ray Metz" <raymondm@interthenet.com>
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Subject: Am5x86-P75 on a VL/I-486SV2GX4
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what are the jumper settings for this combo?

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From: dhkazil@execpc.com
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Subject: Re: Any good vendors for ATX ASUS System?
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 22:47:18 GMT
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markmarino@cybercom.net (Mark Marino) You said:

SNIP---

>I'm looking to buy a bare bones system with the following wish list:



>So, any recommendations for a vendor who sells ATX-based Pentium
>Triton or Triton II bare bones systems would be great.  

>TIA,
>Mark


Do not buy from USA COMPUTER CONNECTIONS.  
I had a terrible experience with them as did 4 people who replied to
my original post.  Email me if you want the full story or read it from
the  following website ;

 http://umbra.arch.bsu.edu/pshaffer


Go with a reputable company. I am pleased with my purchases from CDW.
Their prices are a little higher than most, I have found.  I bought my
motherboard from MDC. I am satisfied overall with my purchase from
them even though I had to wait 3 weeks for delivery. This problem may
have been solved though.

Most importantly PAY WITH A CREDIT CARD. It is sometimes your only
recourse in situations like mine with USA COMPUTER CONNECTIONS.

Keep reading the posts on the subject. You cannot go wrong if you are
an informed shopper. Good Luck. 



******************
David H.Kazilsky
dhkazil@execpc.com
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