Underground Informer
Volume 5 Issue 18
November 5, 1994
Page 10


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 Prop 187, Pete Z, and the KKK
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                                                Submitted by Bruce Murphy
                                                Sysop Dood, The Murph Zone BBS
                                                Studio City, CA

     Here in California, there is a Proposition on the November 8th ballot 
that makes it illegal for non-citizens to collect welfare and other benefits 
from the state.  [Ed. Note:  Proposition 187 would also prevent illegal 
immigrants from obtaining medical benefits and keep the children of such 
immigrants out of public schools.]

     While on the SURFACE this may seem like a reasonable idea, the fine print 
allows anyone to turn in to law enforcement agencies anyone whom they even 
suspect of being in this country illegally. 

     Still not that big of a deal, you say?  Add that those who turn in these 
people can do so anonymously and without fear of recrimination, and you have a 
police state happening right here in these United States.  Well, OK, so we've 
already got a great start at that after 12 years of Reagan and Bush, but we 
still have SOME rights left....

     To top that, in the last few days, a message thread has appeared on my 
BBS that has me up in arms.  The following is the thread as it appears on The 
Murph Zone.

[Ed. Note:  The following posts have not been edited.]

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To  : Sysop Dood
From: Peter Zsolnay
Subj: My Farewell To DEA And The 'Barrel... (Ref. is 00546)
Date: 04 Nov 94 @ 01:15 pm
 
SD> Hmmmm....  Then you are saying that there are millions of Mexicans
SD> who mass at the border each night, just to get into the US where
SD> they can do nothing but kick back, get free benefits, and make
SD> babies...  Is that about it?
 
SD> Sorry, but that ain't so...  If it were, INS would be out of a
SD> job...  Just because it's illegal to do something hasn't stopped
SD> people from doing whatever the illegality is...  Business owners do
SD> it to keep their product competetive with cheap imports...  They pay
SD> sweat shop wages to those who CAN'T complain, under the table so
SD> there isn't a paper trail...
 
In that case, I hereby invite you to go down to your local Welfare
office and scope out the situation for yourself. Count the number of
caucasian people and the number of hispanics.. I'd be willing to bet
that the number of hispanics outnumbers the number of white people
standing in line..
 
Pete

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To  : Peter Zsolnay
From: Sysop Dood
Subj: Illegals On Welfare (Ref. is 00574)
Date: 05 Nov 94 @ 08:57 am
 
Two questions:
 
1) Why were YOU down at the Welfare office?  Sucking on the 
Governmental Teat again, Pete?
 
2) Just curious - how many green cards did you check?  Just because 
they are Hispanic does NOT mean they are illegal aliens!  
 
BTW, are you aware that LA has the highest number of Hispanics in 
the WORLD second only to Mexico City?  That combined with the 
nature of business to hire anglo's over other minorities makes for a 
real accurate solution to your problem...
B

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To  : Sysop Dood
From: Peter Zsolnay
Subj: Illegals On Welfare (Ref. is 00577)
Date: 05 Nov 94 @ 12:09 am
 
1.) I was down there with a friend.. she needed a ride.. I do not
collect welfare, nor do I care to.. I *DO* have my pride..
 
2.) None.. However, these people LOOK like they were fresh over the
border (and sometimes even smelled like it too). The majority of them
couldn't even speak a little tiny bit of english.
 
Then again, I didn't see the welfare people checking for green cards
either..
 
Pete

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To  : Peter Zsolnay
From: Indranil Mookherjee
Subj: Illegals On Welfare (Ref. is 00578)
Date: 05 Nov 94 @ 06:48 am
 
How do illegals smell Pete?
What is the deal? You sign a piece of paper from the US Government, and
your odor disappears?

How come this is the country with the largest sales of deodorant
products?

You know Pete, there are two ways to answer your bigoted bs. One is to
go into rant mode, call you an ignorant fool, question your heritage,
go into rhapsody about the irrefutable evidence of a rather dwindling
IQ on your part and so on. The second way is to try to argue with you,
give you facts. Refute your assertions. I am not very sure that you are
capable of understanding the logic that is apparent in an argument. The
only sense you have shown is a keen sense of smell. So I will do none
of the above.
 
Instead, let's just call you bigoted. And end this puerile conversation.
 
Thanks for listening. Use your ears Pete, your nose doesn't do any
argument justice.
Indro

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To  : Indranil Mookherjee
From: Peter Zsolnay
Subj: Illegals On Welfare (Ref. is 00580)
Date: 05 Nov 94 @ 06:54 pm
 
For what it's worth Indro, people who are from south of the border
often times haven't had a chance to get up to speed on our rather self
concious hygene rituals. People who've been here have a long time have
been sold on the idea of daily bathing AND purchasing vast volumes of
anti-perspirants and deodorants. If you doubt me, just tune into your
favorite commercial TV station and count the number of ads for various
soaps, bath bars, feminine hygene products, baby powders, deodorants,
anti-perspirants, and a whole plethora of other related products
including, but not limited to perfumes, after shave lotions, etc, et
al, ad nauseum.
 
When you've got someone who doesn't practice the same sort of hygene
that we've been taught (by Madison Ave, among others) to do, then they
kinda stick out like a sore thumb. Sorry.. No racism is intended. Just
plain and SIMPLE facts.
 
Pete

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To  : Peter Zsolnay
From: Sysop Dood
Subj: Illegals On Welfare (Ref. is 00578)
Date: 05 Nov 94 @ 08:04 am
 
Pete, I have a suggestion.  If you aren't already a card carrying 
member of the KKK, you should be...  They welcome that kind of 
thinking[?]...
 
Oh, and if you bothered to look, they would have been asking for 
SOME kind of identification - NO government agency does a thing 
unless they have you identified 17 ways from Sunday...
 
As to being too proud to draw welfare, there are many people who 
can't find work for one reason or another and HAVE to have money to 
survive...  Sure, it's easy to have pride when you can live at home 
with your parents - it's not so easy when you have noone to turn 
to...
 
Yessir...  Back Prop 187!  It's sponsored by people who think like 
Pete...  
B

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     I'm a firm believer in the Constitution of these United States....  Many 
people like Pete claim to be so as well, but they conveniently forget some of 
the important rights afforded ALL individuals when it suits them.  

     Let's not forget that a person is GUARANTEED to be INNOCENT until proven 
guilty in this country.  That is one of the laws that sets us apart from so 
many of the other countries around the globe.  We do NOT need another police 
state on this planet.

     Freedom is something that applies to all.  Curtailing it to any one 
individual or group makes this country no better than Hitler's Germany.

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